Podcast Transcription: Ted’s Stem Cell Treatment Experience: 8-Week Follow Up

Ted Ryce: Today I'm going to be doing my two-month stem cell treatment update. And if you're interested in how it's been going, if you've been following my let's say series on this, my reports on this, well, I've got some really cool news to share with you today.  

And if you haven't, you can definitely go listen to the previous episodes, but I'm going to be covering more or less everything in this one. So, before we dive in, I produced this show for two reasons.  

Number one, I want to bring you the best health and fitness and really longevity information on the internet. And what we do is we cover evidence-based strategies and sometimes we get a little experimental which represents what I'll be talking about today with stem cell treatments.  

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So, what is my purpose of talking about this? Well, in case you're new, or in case you don't remember from the previous episodes, I went to Puerto Vallarta, Mexico on February 17th and had a series of stem cell injections.  

I had my cervical spine injected, I had both shoulders injected, I had both wrists and all of my knuckles injected with stem cells. I also had my low back injected with stem cells, both hips, both knees, my right ankle, and both big toes, and I screwed up there, is actually my left ankle and my right foot. 

I had a lot done. And I also want to add this. At Dream Body Clinic, which is the place where I went, they also with both the lumbar, so the low back and neck injections, not only did they inject stem cells, but they injected PRP, so platelet-rich plasma.  

By the way, stem cells, are an experimental treatment, and we'll talk about what that means. Platelet-rich plasma is not an experimental treatment. It is, there's meta-analyses, there's many randomized controlled trials and meta-analyses on randomized controlled trials.  

So, in case you don't know what that means, a randomized controlled trial is great. For example, they might say, okay, we're going to get 100 people. 50 of them are going to get platelet-rich plasma injections in their knees. The other people were just going to inject them with saline.  

And not only are the people who are getting the injections not going to know who's getting them, but the doctors who are administering the injections will also not know. And then after they're going to collect data and after all that's done, they crunch the data. 

So that is one of the best, let's say, it's one of the top ways of determining whether a treatment or a supplement or a diet works, or a drug, many other things. Randomized controlled trials in humans, that's where it's at. It's one of the strongest pieces of evidence we can have.  

Now, a meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials means that you have a bunch of randomized controlled trials. And so that increases the level of confidence of a particular treatment. And so that's what platelet-rich plasma has and that's not what we have yet with stem cells. So that's why it's considered experimental.  

What we have with stem cells are a lot of studies, a ton of studies, but it's still at the point where there aren't a ton of studies showing a high level of confidence for stem cell treatment. So, I just wanted to get that out of the way. Now I want to talk to you about the changes in development since the last four weeks since I did my 30-day update.  

And I wasn't really feeling much after a month. I felt a little bit. But now I'm going to go, let's say joint by joint. I want to start with my neck. 

I should even start like this. I don't talk about it or haven't talked about it that much, but I've been suffering from chronic pain. And I know a ton of techniques. In fact, I undersell like, let's say, I know so many techniques to get around injuries, to train around injuries, to get myself where if you had all the injuries that I had, you probably wouldn't be able to train very hard because training would just hurt you, it wouldn't help you.  

However, I've figured out a ton of techniques over the years, different exercises, I'm excellent at it. I made a name for myself in Miami Beach as being the go-to guy to help you get in shape while working around injuries.  

That said, I was getting tired of doing all the work because I was doing massages and foam rolling and trigger point therapy and activation exercises, mobility exercises, and all these different things just so I could train hard, so I could get my cardio in to improve my VO2 max, so I could strengthen my muscles, and so I could do the things that I love to do like Brazilian jujitzu. 

And again, I got tired of it and, you know, some days were good, some days were bad, especially with my back. So that gives you a brief overview of what I've been suffering with for decades, really depending on the injury and depending on the area. But I've been having joint issues ever since I was 18, and I'm 47. 

So, I wanted to go, I wanted to try some regenerative medicine. And that's why I went there. And after the first four weeks, I really didn't feel that much. And if you recall when I first got the treatments, man, it was a little bit rough. So, what do I mean by that? You heard all the, the places that I got injections. And you've probably had injections too, right? 

You've had shots or whatever type of injections you've had joint injections, otherwise known as intraarticular injections, they're a little bit different. The needle for my hip was extremely long and I'm the type of person I usually watch the needle go in my body whenever I'm getting blood taken or having any, I always look, but man I had so many injections and the needles were so long that I had to look away.  

So, I'm like okay this is overwhelming. However, I am glad that I had all the joint injections done at the same time. And I'll tell you why. Because I had to, let's say, take a break from exercise. In fact, I've been doing nothing but when during the first four weeks, I did nothing but physical therapy exercises that Dream Body Clinic gave me. 

And then more recently, I've included upper body exercises. So, I'm feeling pretty good at this point. So let me go joint by joint.  

In my neck, I used to have to do a lot of neck strengthening exercises. My neck would hurt a lot. And I would have to do exercises to get rid of the pain and I would have to do exercises to strengthen it so it could handle the demands of doing things like Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. And my neck feels a lot better. I have more range of motion and less pain just generally. It's really an impressive amount.  

Again, not only did I have the stem cell injections, but they also injected PRP into my neck as well. And my neck was something that I didn't think was going to, or had the potential to improve, which is something to, something I'll address a bit later, but I was questionable about it. But it's so much better.  

It's hard to quantify, but let's just say in general, I'm on a pain scale of one to 10. I'm like two points less than where I was. I was maybe around a seven, six, six or a seven. I'm now at let's say a four or five on a daily basis.  

My shoulders, so the shoulders, I am noticing a difference in my shoulders. I still have pain in my left one. In fact, Josh and Dr. Eric at Dream Body Clinic, Josh is the founder and CEO of Dream Body Clinic and Dr. Eric, after looking at my MRI, because they have you do MRIs, either you come with an MRI or you have them done. I had all mine done in Puerto Vallarta.  

They said, looking at your shoulder, we're not expecting much. In fact, if you would have told us, hey, listen, if you would have showed us an MRI before you came, we would have told you it's really low chance that it's going to heal. So, my left shoulder does feel better.  

It's not, let's say my neck is down a couple points, maybe two or even three points with my neck. My shoulder's down maybe one, one and a half. And I haven't gained any of the range of motion back that I was hoping to, but that seems the result of a osteophyte, otherwise known as a bone spur.  

So that's the situation with that. That said though, I feel stronger and more stable in my shoulders, even though they're still, let's say, sensitive.  

And on my right shoulder, I hurt my shoulder before going in to get the stem cell therapy. So, I still feel that, that injury there. Um, again, they just both feel stronger, but not a huge difference in, in the shoulders, but a noticeable difference.  

Now my wrists, I noticed a lot. Uh, I would say another two to three points down in pain. I've hurt both my wrists. I'm not going to go into the full drama of my injuries because they'll, you know, you'll hear a country music song, like some country music start playing in the background.  

Look, it would just take too long, but just in the, just to avoid going into taking too much time in this episode, my wrists are feeling a lot better and my knuckles are feeling a lot better. And I'll tell you, after I got the injections, just to quick aside here, my knuckles were super swollen. I was like, oh my gosh, it was hard to close my hands.  

And I was like, oh my gosh, maybe I shouldn't have done the knuckle injections. But it's been a significant improvement in my knuckles. And 60 days later, I'm happy I did them. Because at first, I was just like, man, that was really overkill.  

I didn't need to do that. And it took a while to get the mobility and strength back in my knuckles, but they're feeling quite good. Again, two to three points down in pain is how I'll describe it.  

Now let's talk about my hips. My hips have been, haven't felt really much pain in my hips at all. So that's great. Where I was told by one orthopedic surgeon when I had an x-ray of my back, when I was in Orlando, seeing the orthopedic doctor and physical therapist who work with the Cirque du Soleil show there in Universal Studios. Is it Universal? I don't know. Well, they work with the Cirque du Soleil show and those people, as you can imagine, really push their bodies.  

So, the orthopedic surgeon said I had significant arthritis. But when I went to the Dream Body Clinic, the orthopedic surgeon said I had significant arthritis, but he used an x-ray to determine that, which is not the best method of doing that, of assessing arthritis. I had MRIs done again at Dream Body Clinic and Josh and Dr. Eric, of course Dr. Eric, but Josh was there and he's always there with overseeing the treatments and he was there for a significant part of my treatment. 

Dr. Eric assured me, hey, you know what, your hips aren't that bad. And I've noticed I haven't had any pain in my hips. I mean, a little bit of achiness from when I pushed a little bit too hard with cardio or some of the exercises, but then it went away. My low back, however, is probably that's the most painful part of my body is my low back. 

And it's been really difficult. And I want you to pay attention to this because I was, I'm, my back was hurting so bad that when I got up in the morning, it was hard to bend over, right?  

So, like 47 and I feel amazing in so many ways, but then I try to bend over and I have this pain and I had to warm my body up. I had to do a lot of warm up exercises and physical therapy exercises. Again, I could get myself to go train, but it was really managing the injury, not treating the injury. And now, I'll give you an example. I get massages weekly. 

That's the goal anyway. Sometimes I skip a week, but it's rare. I get weekly massages and when I lay face down for 30 minutes or 45 minutes, I can bear it. It is really hard for me to flip over onto my back that laying down on my stomach situation, that position for whatever reason.  

And I think I know why, because the MRI that I had at dream body clinic showed an interior disc herniation. So usually, the disc push out to the back and my disc that's herniated is pushing out to the front. So, whenever I would do extend my back or lay in the prone position face down on let's say a massage table, oh wow, it is like a bit of a rough situation coming out of it. I've been living with it, I don't complain about it, but man, that was my, that was what I had to deal with. And I was trying to make peace with it while also telling myself, you know what?  

I'm going to keep; I'm going to find a way. And so now I lay down and I get up, I'm like a normal person now. I still have pain in my low back, but it's, this is, it's amazing.  

And let me tell you, I've tried so many different things, so many different treatments with my low back from inversion tables to digital distraction tables to manual therapy to massage to acupuncture to dry needling to electric muscle stimulation to topical you know I just it goes on and on and on what I've tried and stem cell injections along with the PRP because remember with my cervical spine or neck and my lumbar spine, my low back, I got both stem cell and PRP. 

That's the treatment they do at DreamB ody Clinic. And that, it's significant. I'm still in a lot of pain. 

But I can do things so much easier now, bending over, I can bend over in the morning. And I know you may be shocked hearing that because I've never talked about it, but I just didn't think there was much to say because it would turn into complaining. Like, my back hurts again. You know, like how many times do you want to hear that? And just a word of advice for everyone out there dealing with chronic pain. 

Don't complain about it. You know, talk to your therapist about it, but don't complain to your partners. Don't complain to your friends. Um, you know, it's, it's something where you really have to front reframe how you look at it, or. You got to get a treatment done.  

And certainly, it's been amazing. So, um, and the other thing I want to say about my lumbar spine, the disc herniation there is that both Dr. Eric and Josh told me, ah, your back and your left shoulder really screwed up based on what we see on the MRI. 

I don't want to open up a can of worms because what MRIs say isn't always the experience of patients or people. However, in this case, it does represent my daily experience. And so, they told me to check my expectations about what would happen with my left shoulder and my low back. And my low back has significantly improved. I mean, oh my gosh. My only regret is that I didn't do it sooner.  

So, let's move down to knees. Now, my knees are again significantly better as well. I wasn't in a lot of pain in my knees but I felt like I couldn't get away with certain types of training because my knees would hurt.  

And really interesting, and I've shared this before, but I'll share it again. I was under the impression that my left knee was the bad knee, my right knee was the good knee.  

And when I got the MRIs, Dr. Eric told me now your right knee has significant damage and on your ligaments in your right knee and your left knee is actually better.  

And I was like, interesting. And I didn't believe him. I mean, I believed in the MRI and obviously, but I was like, hmm, that doesn't really represent my experience. However, two months later after my stem cell injections, I'm noticing my left knee doesn't really give me any issues at the moment, but I feel my right knee a bit more.  

And so, I have to, I'm being a bit more careful with my right knee, which was really interesting because my right knee was like the good knee. That was the story. And now it's kind of changed. So, I haven't done. 

So, I'll finish my I'll finish my joint by joint assessment or feedback and then I'll share a few other things. 

So in my ankle um my ankle my left ankle uh feels better but I don't notice a huge difference and in my foot in my right foot I was dealing with some plantar fasciitis type of issues I'd never had it diagnosed not sure if that's what it is or something else but it also it feels a little bit better and I had both big toes injected again kind of funny that the biggest issues in recovery were my knuckles which I stated earlier which at first made me think ah man why'd I do my knuckles you know I could have just you know held off on those but I'm really glad I did them biggest pain in the butt in terms of recovery were my big toes.  

Because I was walking and I had to I walk a lot I try to get my steps in daily and I'm doing cardio and how I do cardio as I walk on the treadmill or walk outside and so I had to back off on walking because my big toes would hurt and it was quite annoying to do that.  

But again, now my big toes are both feeling pretty good and I've heard both big toes doing crazy sports over the years and in jujitsu, believe it or not, your fingers and your toes take a beating. So, I'm really glad that I did really everything. I have no regrets so far. And I want to share. So that's the joint by joint. 

Now I want to talk about something else. The hardest, one of the hardest, so I want to talk about like, those are the physical changes. And I want to tell you my mood has been so much better because I'm in less pain.  

And it's fascinating because some, if you're in pain and you have an injury, I don't know if you're like me, but you start telling yourself stories. I'm old, even though I work out, I look pretty good, I get compliments that I look like I'm in my 30s, even though I'm in my 40s.  

Like I'm feeling old, my joints feel old at least. In fact, my soul, my heart, my mind all feel young, but man, my body, my joints in particular. So that has shifted. My mood is better, My outlook is better just I feel younger. I feel let's say, if you had to say, well how much younger do you feel? I feel 10 years younger.  

Now of course, I'm not saying I'm 47 and now I feel 37, Because I felt my body as I just said, was more like 60. So, I do feel like 10 years younger though for me. And it's important to keep that in mind because if you don't have any issues, and you get stem cell injections, you may not feel any different.  

But if you do have significant changes in your joints, injuries, previous injuries, arthritis, those types of things, you, if you respond well, to stem cell treatments, which everybody doesn't. It's important to put it out there, you're going to feel significantly better. I mean, I'm so glad I did this. So glad. Just my life is better now. 

So, let's talk a little bit about what are stem cells in the first place and talk a little bit about the, you know, what's important to know about stem cells. So, stem cell therapy, it's a super promising field of medicine, what you might call regenerative medicine or what people refer to as regenerative medicine. 

So, unlike having a surgery, which is not regenerative, if you have a hip replacement, they go in and chop off the top of the bone and do all these things when they do a full hip, total hip replacement, or giving you drugs to manage your pain or inflammation, this is supposed to regenerate the damaged tissue. 

So that is, that's what you need to know. And really important, because if you start reading about stem cells, which I've done, it's a rabbit hole. And I really want to have an expert like a researcher. Josh was great when he came on the show and I liked Josh a lot. 

However, I would love some a researcher to come on the show and talk about the pros and cons of stem cells what we need to know what the you know and what you'll find if you end up trying to look this stuff up number one it's really complicated and I have a decent background I studied biology I read studies all the time.  

And it's really difficult to follow all this stuff because it's a new area of medicine and I've read about stem cells in college level physiology, but what the research goes into and what they're talking about is much different, much more in depth. And so, there's all these different types of stem cells. So, I want to be clear here. We're not talking about embryonic stem cells or fetal stem cells.  

If you remember, I think in the 90s, that was a big thing because scientists or researchers were getting stem cells from aborted fetuses. Not only is that questionably, the ethics there questionable, which I'm not going to get into, just going to leave it at that.  

However, there is a risk of cancer or teratomas from embryonic or fetal stem cells because of the type of stem cells, again, don't want to go into the details because I don't know it enough to explain it, but just understand that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about mesenchymal stem cells because there's a lot of research showing that mesenchymal stem cells are both used for their safety and because they seem to be well tolerated, not just with joint injections, which is the least, let's say risky procedure that you can do with stem cells. 

It's also when they're doing things like heart injections with stem cells, they're using mesenchymal stem cells.  

There's also another stem cell treatment using what are called hematopoietic stem cell. I don't want to get into that. That's what they use, if you've ever heard of stem cell treatments for cancer, like if you go to the cancer hospital and they'll talk about stem cell transplants for certain types of cancer. They use hemopoietic stem cells, if I'm saying that right. Again, we're not talking about those. We're talking about mesenchymal stem cells.  

So, when you start reading about stem cells, you'll see there's a ton of different types or at least several different types more than what I've mentioned here. There's also olfactory in sheathing stem cells from your nose.  

We're not talking about any of those. We're talking about mesenchymal stem cells. So again, those are the ones that have a lot of research on them showing that they're pretty safe and well tolerated.  

And I also want to say, there's a lot of concern about the side effects of stem cells. So, a lot of it has to do with the quality of the stem cells, meaning how does the clinic that you're getting them from, how do they take care of their stem cells? And also, like any procedure, what is the level of proficiency of the person who's giving you the injections?  

For example, when I went into Dream Body Clinic, they did Dr. Eric, who administered my stem cell injections, used ultrasound to guide the needles, and he was also, I mean, they changed gloves, they changed needles, there was a ton of medical waste.  

Not waste, meaning they were wasteful, but there was a ton of used gloves, used needles, and they were, I felt they were really careful because when you ever you get an injection, you run the risk of getting an infection from that injection, or having, getting hurt from a needle that isn't inserted properly. And now that can happen anywhere. I didn't have any problems with anything that they did.  

I felt they were really on the ball with what they did didn't have a problem. So just understand, you know, there are some issues I also I don't want to talk about The other treatments that are available for example If there's treatments for liver failure, I don't think I don't remember you would have to go to dream body clinic website to see the types of therapies they offer. I don't know if they offer that type of therapy. 

So, injections like that you those That's a whole nother ballpark and you would have to ask them if you're interested in stem cell treatments for a specific like a Really complicated medical condition like liver failure or you just had a heart attack you would have to talk to people about that. What I'm reporting on is stem cell injections, intraarticular, in other words, joint injections for arthritis and previous injuries. 

So, keep that in mind. Another thing is you should be aware that it's not a guaranteed cure.  

And one of the things I really appreciated about Josh and Dr. Eric, they were saying, like some people are non-responders and that goes with all treatments. Some people, they don't have a good experience with certain therapies or treatments.  

And it's always a chance. There's a chance that you may have treatment and it doesn't work there's a chance that you have a treatment and it doesn't last or you may need another treatment like I might need another injection in my back to improve it because I'm feeling good, I want to feel better.  

Another thing that's important is that it's not a substitute for poor health in other words you're thinking if you're thinking you know what 

I'm fat, I drink too much, I don't sleep, I'm stressed out, my knee hurts, I don't exercise but I'm going to go get stem cell treatments and that's going to fix everything. Hopefully there's nobody out there like that, but in case there is, that is not the case. People who are, and this goes with not just stem cell treatments, but any type of surgery. If you're overweight, you have a higher risk of having surgical complications. 

If you're obese, it's even higher. If you're in poor health, for some reason, it's even higher. So great, get stem cells, but understand you need to take care of yourself. And at least at the moment, we're nowhere near the point with regenerative medicine where you can beat the crap out of your body completely, run it until it breaks down, and then just go to the regenerative medicine clinic and just get all fixed up. Not going to happen. 

And so keep that in mind. And also the cost of stem cell therapy, it's not cheap. We're talking thousands, potentially, let's say around 2000 per an injection, you'll have to go to Dream Body Clinic’s website, that's dreambody.clinic, to check they have all their prices listed on the clinic website so you can go and check it out.  

So just keep that in mind and let's see what else do I want to discuss with you Yeah, I Want to talk a little bit about the reality of my treatment versus my Expectations and here's what I would tell you: 

If I had to do it again, what would I do, I would do it all again and I would probably do it exactly the way that I did it. If you didn't want to do your whole body, you could do lower body and then upper body if you were in the unfortunate situation like you were me and had a lot of injuries both in your upper and lower.  

You could either do that or I just think get it all done at the same time. Because you're going to have to go through recovery and I've used the past two months to discipline myself and what do I mean by that? I 

t's easy for me to go and show up to jujitsu two times a week and push myself hard. It's easy I can push through pain. I've got a lot of mental toughness in that regard but the most thing that I've had to do was back off of intense exercise. So just know you'll have to back off of intense exercise after treatments like stem cell injections.  

So, keep that in mind. And it's a good thing to do. Someone asked me this, they're like, hey, how'd it go for your neck? I'm like, yeah, it's great. And I mean, my next a lot better. And I can't wait to get back to jiu jitsu training. 

And he was also, he's like, well, what, what has it been like? You mean you're not training? I'm like, Nope. Um, I have another month before Josh told me to that, that I was okay. And, um, so he really didn't like the idea. He's like, ah, you know what? I'm not going to do it then. I'll wait until my neck gets really bad and then I'll go get it treated.  

And I want to tell you, if you're listening, my advice, that is the wrong approach. It's the wrong approach because if you take care of it now when it's not as bad, you may, you may get to a place where you're 100% okay. You're 100% pain free. 

For me, I'm just having slightly less pain in my neck by again, two points on the pain scale on this one to 10 pain scale. Do not wait. 

Terrible, terrible, terrible. Don't wait to get in better health. Don't wait to get treatments for your injuries. Do not wait. Terrible idea. Because you can pass a point of no return. I feel like people think, oh yeah, well, you know, wait until it breaks down, then I'll take it into the mechanic. Too late, it's not a car. Your body's not a car. I like using that metaphor, but it's not a car. Don't wait, okay? 

Whether you get stem cell injections or not, take care of it now. I'll get off the preacher pulpit there. 

So, I want to talk now about any further treatments, checkups, or recovery steps planned. Well, I'm going to go back to Dream Body Clinic. We've already talked a bit, Josh and I. And I'm going to go back to Dream Body Clinic and he wants to do follow up MRIs and compare them. And depending on how I progress, I may get additional injections.  

So I'm totally open to that. And I want to feel better and better. I'm feeling amazing. I feel like a second lease on life, at least orthopedically, right? And it's just been great.  

And another thing I want to say, because I've been asked this by other people. It's like, well, would you go back to Dream Body Clinic? I had someone say, okay, yeah, I get it. Stem cell treatments are experimental, but what was your experience at the clinic?  

Let me tell you something. I have Josh on WhatsApp. If you don't know what that is, you're probably American, but outside the US, it's a messaging app that basically a lot of people use, a lot of countries use, very common.  

And I have WhatsApp, Josh's number on WhatsApp. And I was like, Josh, do you give your number to all your patients?  

And he's like, Yeah, obviously, they can get the they can call the clinic and get help right away if they, you know, want information. But I also give my WhatsApp to people if they if they want.  

So, Josh is someone he gets treatments at his clinic. I felt really safe with the just the staff there. They were great. And I have nothing but good things to say about my experience.  

My only regret when I was there in Puerto Vallarta was and this is for you if you're considering this, I would have stayed a few days longer, maybe even a week to recover because that flight home really sucked. 

I got the stem cell injections on a Saturday and then I flew out the next day and I was just like, oh man, this was, I should have waited a couple of days. I mean, I did it. I didn't hurt myself, but the experience sucked and I'm 47. I've had a lot of dumb and painful experiences in my 20s and even 30s. I'm not about that. I'm all up for pain in terms of growth, but I try to avoid just doing things where I'm suffering for no reason.  

So, I would have stayed there several days, if not an entire week longer. So that's what I would tell you to keep in mind if you're thinking about doing this. And so, just to quickly recap, so it's 60 days out. I'm feeling a significant difference. I'm in better spirits, less pain. Every injection that I had, I feel a difference from, maybe with the exception of my left ankle, which wasn't that painful, but I did have an injury to it. 

It wasn't painful at all, but I did have an injury to it. And I was, and my ankles, my left ankle in particular makes noise. So, I'm feeling great. And I, that's all I can say. And what I tell you is, if you're still on the fence, keep listening to the show. I'm going to do a 90-day update and I'll continue to update you based on my experience based on the recovery and the effects so that you can hear.  

Again, it's anecdotal when you're listening to me I'm sharing my experience doesn't mean that you're going to have the same experience, but I'll tell you this I'll leave you with this thought. When I announced on social media that I was getting stem cell injections I had people reach out saying ah stem cells don't work. 

It's it's experimental and Those people they were meeting. Well, they weren't trying to hate but what I now believe it's like, okay, well, based on the evidence that we have, it's kind of unclear the appropriate treatment. Like how do stem cells work? In other words, how many millions of stem cells for what type of injury and you know what I mean?  

So, there's it's a little bit in the experimental phase. But this is not placebo. Okay, you don't go from like being in pain when you are laying flat on the massage table and barely moving after to moving like how I'm moving. I just pop up like a, probably like a normal person.  

And maybe if you're listening, you're like, I just, I don't have any problems popping up off of a massage table. Well, that was my life and now I'm moving again. And you know, someone would say that that's placebo. It's just like, yeah, that's not true, man. You know? 

I believe in the power of the mind, but you can't hold your breath and use the power of your mind to go without air. Okay? There are certain physiological realities and certainly my, again, someone still might not believe me or think that I'm like, so just placebo it out on all the stem cell injections and nothing could be further from the truth. I wasn't expecting them to work and I just didn't.  

It's not that I was saying, yeah, I'm going to get these expensive injections and I'm pretty sure it's not going to happen. So, I'm basically flushing money down the toilet. I wanted to give it a try, but I was very skeptical about the results. And so, what I can tell you is the results, at least for me, are real. They're powerful and I would totally do it again.  

That is it for this. Hope you enjoyed this. Keep listening. Reach out with questions. I've gotten a lot of questions. Maybe I'll do a stem cell Q&A. And again, I'll just be speaking from my personal experience. I'm going to try to get a true expert on stem cells on the show, but it's not so easy sometimes.  

So, reach out with your experiences, your questions. You can email me at ted@legendarylifepodcast.com or you can reach out to me on Twitter or X as it's called. Ted_Ryce. That is it, hope you enjoyed it. Keep following for more and speak to you soon.